@StarkRG You’ve drifted the argument and then declared victory over the drift.
Whether most current models are trained unethically has nothing to do with AI as a concept. Same with energy use. Those are critiques of industrial data sourcing and data-centre scale, not of delegation, authorship, or tools. You’re switching debates midstream and pretending that answers the original point.
My post is about consistency. The art world already decided that authorship lives upstream and physical labour is optional. Koons directs. Others execute. He approves. Everyone agrees that’s ethical. Once that rule exists, you don’t get to resurrect “the hand” only when delegation becomes cheaper and more accessible.
If you want to argue copyright theft or energy policy, argue that directly with data farms and rights violators. Don’t smuggle it in as a rebuttal to a different claim. That’s argument drift, not refutation.
Whether most current models are trained unethically has nothing to do with AI as a concept. Same with energy use. Those are critiques of industrial data sourcing and data-centre scale, not of delegation, authorship, or tools. You’re switching debates midstream and pretending that answers the original point.
My post is about consistency. The art world already decided that authorship lives upstream and physical labour is optional. Koons directs. Others execute. He approves. Everyone agrees that’s ethical. Once that rule exists, you don’t get to resurrect “the hand” only when delegation becomes cheaper and more accessible.
If you want to argue copyright theft or energy policy, argue that directly with data farms and rights violators. Don’t smuggle it in as a rebuttal to a different claim. That’s argument drift, not refutation.