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@benpate@mastodon.social  路  activity timestamp 6 hours ago

I hear you. And I've only heard (but not personally seen) of "old timers" being hostile in particular to black voices when they came here from Twitter. It sucks that people are like that

What way forward to you see? Are there things we could do (cultural? technical?) to make this a more welcoming place? I'm very interested.

I've blocked and ignored my share of trolls, too, but I'd love to have a really great silver bullet for this.. ESPECIALLY as we continue to grow

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@are0h@polychrom.ing replied  路  activity timestamp 5 hours ago

@benpate @jcriecke @mousey Outside of being white, there is no silver bullet in the fedi.

I built #thebadspace to improve making moderation between communities easier and that has had some success, but there is still resistance when Black folks specifically use them to protect our spaces.

If anything, I think the culture here needs to be more vigilant of the anti-Blackness in the fedi that is a lot more persistent but I have no idea how get white folks to care about anything outside of themselves.

That鈥檚 a job for white people.

The rest of are just trying to navigate a hostile space.

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@mousey@mastodon.seattlematrix.org  路  activity timestamp 8 hours ago

@are0h I hear you. I'm not gonna say you're wrong. Your experience is why I'm here, to learn from, not discount. However, If I may offer my opinion; you really need to exercise that block button til your feed is your people.

Take it or leave it. I think you're right, people like that tho? Save your energy.

Maybe you're one of those famous people have 49857289347 followers? idk how to help with that. I'm happy you're in fedi at all.

^_^

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@are0h@polychrom.ing replied  路  activity timestamp 8 hours ago

@mousey And now we're getting to the meat of it.

'My people' are not here. That's the issue. That's why I built #thebadspace in an effort to make this place more attractive to a diverse population.

It's funny how people see who how people follow me, but don't see the small number of people that I actually follow.

It's not just certain people here and there. It's the *culture* here.

This place just doesn't like diversity, so the 'just block everyone' comment is irrelevant.

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@are0h@polychrom.ing  路  activity timestamp 5 days ago

There is absolutely a pattern to how hate originates and propagates in the fedi. I鈥檝e tracked it for years because the main players constantly monitor my account.

The hate networks in the fedi aren鈥檛 actually that big but they鈥檝e become adept in masking their intentions specifically to white people that allows them to continue to harass and terrorize vulnerable groups. Tech LGBT is a good example of this.

The fedi desperately needs tooling that identifies these that can inform people of how harassment and abuse moves in this environment. #thebadspace itself trying to do this as a third party resource.

Handing the obvious cases of hate is simply not enough because that鈥檚 easy to deal with.

The challenge has always been marshaling the will to deal with bigots that exploit progressive language and iconography to continue their abuse.

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@are0h@polychrom.ing  路  activity timestamp 5 days ago

I would contend most moderation in the fedi is poor because it focuses on obvious hate and pretty much ignores the conditions that allows hate to thrive.

Blacksky鈥檚 moderation is effective because it follows a community model that takes cultural context into account that is able to recognize hate vectors and eliminate them before they take root.

The lack of diversity in the fedi combined with its general aversion to decent tooling has made this almost impossible.

We can鈥檛 even agree racism exists here even if one doesn鈥檛 explicitly see it despite the reality of people constantly leaving because of it.

In this context, the ugly truth is that it鈥檚 just easier to deal with corporate social media despite it鈥檚 many deficiencies.

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@are0h@polychrom.ing replied  路  activity timestamp 5 days ago

There is absolutely a pattern to how hate originates and propagates in the fedi. I鈥檝e tracked it for years because the main players constantly monitor my account.

The hate networks in the fedi aren鈥檛 actually that big but they鈥檝e become adept in masking their intentions specifically to white people that allows them to continue to harass and terrorize vulnerable groups. Tech LGBT is a good example of this.

The fedi desperately needs tooling that identifies these that can inform people of how harassment and abuse moves in this environment. #thebadspace itself trying to do this as a third party resource.

Handing the obvious cases of hate is simply not enough because that鈥檚 easy to deal with.

The challenge has always been marshaling the will to deal with bigots that exploit progressive language and iconography to continue their abuse.

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@are0h@polychrom.ing  路  activity timestamp 7 days ago

The two things that will always make me laugh about people that tie themselves in knots about #thebadspace is that 1. it's actually a companion project to #fipamo because I want everyone to have a quality moderation tool that they can control themselves and 2. it's completely optional.

If one doesn't like it, they can literally do use it to do their own thing or just ignore it.

This is why I believe most people that proclaim to hate the project are doing so for reasons that have nothing to do with the actual project and more to do with how they feel about *who* is building it.

Ha, and we all know how the fedi feels about Black folks with opinions here.

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