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@cy@fedicy.us.to  Β·  activity timestamp 5 days ago

I dunno, personally I don't think anyone "deserves" to live, and I wouldn't say I'm exactly a tyrannical warlord clad in blacksteel armor covered in spikes. I just do what I can.

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@ambiguous_yelp@veganism.social replied  Β·  activity timestamp 5 days ago

@cy

If you kill a pig for your taste preference then you think a 15 minute meal you will forget about in a few days is worth more than that pigs entire life and experience,

Pigs play games, have social relationships, have preferences, personality, memory, they feel things, they want to live and be free.

We all bleed the same

Animal Emotions: Exploring Passionate Natures: Current interdisciplinary research provides compelling evidence that many animals experience such emotions as joy, fear, love, despair, and griefβ€”we are not alone
<https://academic.oup.com/bioscience/article/50/10/861/233998>

#Speciesism #HumanSupremacy #Pigs

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@cy@fedicy.us.to  Β·  activity timestamp 5 days ago

The problem with that is, you have to work together anyway. We're all living on the same planet, and we either work together, or die. Even if you disagree on principle, even if you've been led to believe some group are total monsters, you have to work together with them. The propagandists are effortlessly manufacturing controversy to find obscure ways of thinking that upset you and make you feel good for rejecting your fellows in bondage, and you have to fight it. Swallow your pride, summon your courage and reach out to people. Even the ones who like bacon.

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@ambiguous_yelp@veganism.social replied  Β·  activity timestamp 5 days ago

@cy

That's the problem though, "those who like bacon" are holding others in bondage, and I'm not going to throw pigs under the bus by ignoring that violation of liberty for my own benefit

I'm an intersectional anarchist, I dont compromise on anybody's rights when organizing: no exceptions. We need to start as we mean to go on otherwise we will reproduce systems of oppression forever

See what non-human victims go through
VVV
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#Speciesism #HumanSupremacy #Pigs #TotalLiberation #Intersectionality

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@ambiguous_yelp@veganism.social  Β·  activity timestamp 5 days ago

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Why would it be insufficient, what would be sufficient. Why is it sufficient in the case of abandoned human babies but not for chickens?

#Speciesism #HumanSupremacy #Chickens

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@ambiguous_yelp@veganism.social  Β·  activity timestamp 6 days ago

@log

Humans learned to torture imprison and murder eachother because we practised on the non-human animals first

From the moment we are born the first kind of hatred we are taught is to hate other animals: we are taught that their lives are insignificant and come second to our trivial interests

If you teach a child that even an ant a small. powerless creature deserves to live and be free from undue pain that goes a long way towards accepting different sizes shapes and colors of humans.

Sapience is a circular logic, it basically means "human-like behaviour" so what you're really saying here is "only those animals that behave superficially like humans deserve a right to life"

Your reciprocation idea would exclude babies and the terminally ill and those with severe disabilities who can be of no benefit to someone who thinks in transactions like this. Unless you think they ought to share rights simply by right of being human, in which case its just arbitrary speciesism:

What specific trait does a chicken lack that a human does not that makes it ok to confine and kill one but not the other?

"
We declare the following: β€œThe absence of a neocortex does not appear to preclude an organism from
experiencing affective states. Convergent evidence indicates that non-human animals have the
neuroanatomical, neurochemical, and neurophysiological substrates of conscious states along with
the capacity to exhibit intentional behaviors. Consequently, the weight of evidence indicates that
humans are not unique in possessing the neurological substrates that generate consciousness. Nonhuman animals, including all mammals and birds, and many other creatures, including octopuses, also
possess these neurological substrates.”
"[1]

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Philip Low, edited by Jaak Panksepp, Diana Reiss, David Edelman, Bruno Van, Swinderen, Philip Low and Christof Koch
2012.07.07
The Cambridge Declaration on Consciousness
Churchill College, University of Cambridge, Cambridge, UK
<http://fcmconference.org/img/CambridgeDeclarationOnConsciousness.pdf>
> @ambiguous_yelp:ahimsa.chat
2021.05.11 18:20:00 BST

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