@MeaningfulBits I am *so* leery of crypto.
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Hey, just pushed my Christmas budget up by donating to you. Not much. But hey it's tough all over. Merry Christmas anyway.
@alice What the heck?!?
I recently used Liberapay (from France) for donations and just wanted to throw that in as suggestion
@alice Have you heard the podcast from Financial Times called _Hot Money_? https://www.ft.com/hot-money
It talks a lot about how there credit-card processing system actually imposes shadow restrictions on all sorts of social morays regarding what can and cannot happen for money in the world.
You might consider reaching out to the journalist who made that podcast and see if they want to do a follow up article about what happened to you.
@alice motherfuckers. What processor can you use now? Apparently I'm getting my money back but that's not it, man
deleted my BMC acct I forgot I had
@alice
Brb starting BuyMeASpikedCoffee because that's adults-only by definition.
Damn, shit! Sorry this is happening.
I fear the political pressure payment systems have been getting by the far right fascists/Christian nationalists to cut payments to content they consider "inappropriate" is getting worse and further marginalising, eventually pretty much, everyone.
But I suppose I'm not saying anything you don't already know.
@alice that’s genuinely outrageous. 🫂💜
I notice you use some three-syllable words. That's adult content, isn't it?
@alice this is utterly unfortunate 
i hope you can get it back very soon!!
@alice
I know PayPal has a whole department dedicated to extended deep dives on people specifically to do this. I believe the payment processor for BuyMeACoffee is Stripe, which is also puritanical but didn't think they were as aggressive about a loose connection. My guess is someone filed a report, but it's not any less frustrating.
Unfortunately it's a common problem for many adult content creators. CashApp has typically been the best bet, but far from great. And sometime recently started forcing folks to display their government name (and specifically the last name) instead of a display name. Also, you'd need to keep mention of any adult content to zero because they do still shut down accounts and forfeit funds for sex workers.
Crypto is naturally a backup option but far less stable or accessible.
Throne is not explicitly SW friendly, but is very commonly used similar to CashApp. Generally as long as nobody is explicitly linking or mentioning sexual content in the notes, and you're not advertising that on the listing, it's probably fine. It's technically a wishlisting site where people can buy stuff for you. Unsurprisingly, I keep mine full of rope. If something isn't available on their storefront, you can have a "cash gift" that is meant to correspond to a physical product that you can then _theoretically_ buy yourself. It does take extra time though.
YouPay (me) is one that I've heard is a good option from my SW friends. Some of them also use MintPay and MassPay but I have no first hand experience with these three.
Failing all of the above, fansly and manyvids allow tips. I think they keep a hefty portion though.
There is also a list of problematic "tippers" that are constantly doing chargebacks or maliciously reporting accounts as much as possible.
All of this is still so silly because you don't even make adult content tied to your tips. And even if you did, it should be okay and not something that locks one out of the banking system. I have plenty of experience getting my accounts terminated in roundabout ways, so I can rant for days about it.
@alice yeah they nuked mine for the same thing the very first donation it ever got. I was guilty of being trans on the internet I suppose. 
@alice yeah. But you existed and werent a suit wearing white republican male so... like obviously.... something?
@alice that really fucking sucks 😡
@alice Everybody should boycott this site. Shameful.
I contacted customer support and made an appeal. They very quickly responded that I'm permanently suspended from the platform (and Stripe) because my *Mastodon* profile (@alice) associates me with @AltAfterDark.
So, that's that.
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... your account has been permanently deactivated due to a violation of the Terms of Use related to adult content. Please note that even if adult content is posted on other websites, it can still lead to account review and banning...
"""
I'll be looking for another way to accept tips (as it's kinda my lifeline); if you have any suggestions that *don't* involve platforms that'll ban me for posting some wholesome-ish adult content *on my own social media profile*, I'd live to hear them.
Update: started a GoFundMe at folx suggestion: https://gofund.me/bd5f770fd
@alice @AltAfterDark what the actual fuck. This isn't 'you're using our service to do something we don't allow' this is 'we're going to control what you can do anywhere if you want to use our service' and I feel like that has to be illegal!
I've started a page about BMaC on HTYP and I was going to link to these posts, but then I thought I should (a) make sure you're ok with that, and (b) make sure your posts aren't set for timed auto-delete...
@alice @AltAfterDark
Puritan mofos
@alice @AltAfterDark cool cool, midwestern family ethics that shun words for peepees, and embrace securitate-like disappearances of brown people
@alice love the Mastercard + Visa duopoly :(
Is PayPal a viable option?
Does Revolut operate in the USA yet? It provides an easy way to send payments across UK and much of Europe using just a "RevTag" (so you don't need to hand out your account details).
@alice @passenger @AltAfterDark they absolutely can reverse the ban and/or change "payment providers", and/or solve the problem in another way. They choose not to because it's easier. Tech workers are lazy, their employers are shit-eating trash monsters, and their investors are too stupid to be allowed in polite society. So, we all suffer. 🤷♂️
@alice what kind of Stasi nonsense is that? It's like a vegan restraunt chucks you out because they've seen you go to McDonalds.
@alice @AltAfterDark unsure of what exactly your needs are or how buymeacoffee works in detail, but I haven’t heard anything bad about liberapay and ko-fi, maybe check them out if you haven’t already.
@alice i read awhile ago how buyMeACoffee are an exact replica (and ripoff) of ko-fi. cannot find that post by creators of ko-fi. it seems to me that ko-fi.com could be better (they actually have no investors).
@alice perhaps you might also look into comradery.co - it's a coop-owned membership platform - @comradery
@alice it all comes down to conservatives or political right controlling mastercard and visa?, in turn pressuring stripe and everyone else, i think
@alice you should talk to @JenJen, they had a whole thing bouncing between providers and finding a non-shit one success?) and setting up their persona site for payments: https://www.jenniegyllblad.co.uk/wp/category/platform-hell/
@alice wow, just wow. What a shitty take by them O.ó
That's ridiculous. It's an indicator that maybe their payment partners are not the type of people any of us want to have in our financial business. I wish I had an answer for you. Bet payment partners will have no problem processing payments for AI sex bot subscriptions.
@alice @Willow @AltAfterDark so if you've ever been naked. Well. Your a sex worker and the lowest of humans. Noted. Wearing my forever jorts from now on
@alice that’s absurd. But followed alt after dark! I hope you can find a new tips platform soon :/
@alice @AltAfterDark I hate to be that guy but crypto would solve your problems. ETH and an ENS domain name would make it easy to receive tips. It just shifts kyc from buy me a coffee to coinbase or a local buyer/seller.
@MeaningfulBits I am *so* leery of crypto.
@alice yeah I get it just request only eth or USD and ignore all "investment opportunities"
Watch BuyMeACoffee/Stripe send me a cease and desist for posting about them banning me.
Then watch Fedi Streisand Effect the shit out of that.
I'm sure they're already going to lose a (insignificant to them) chunk of money over this, because not only will they not be taking 10-20% of my tips, but whenever I call out a company here for being shitty, I get dozens of replies from folx canceling their accounts there.
@alice Do not fuck with our Alice, dumb misguided company. We will riot.
@alice Lordy, I always wondered if they would ban-by-association you. I know Ko-Fi watches your traffic for links coming from places with sexual media.
(They actually told an artist "we can restore your account, but you can't have it a link to it on your FA" [paraphrasing])
I hope you can find something that works for you, people shouldn't have to bury everything to appease payment processors. :(
@alice I'd forgotten I even had an account - deleted now
I wish i had an account with them just so i could cancel it, but i'll spread the word.
@alice GoFundMe has a pretty lax ToS and I believe you have open-ended campaigns.
Worst case, you create a fundraiser once a quarter or so, but you get the money within 2-3 days from when the donation was made
@alice This is the mastercard/visa debacle
@alice I'll be closing my account with them once transactions have been sorted. And I will let them know why. And it might be less than civil.
@alice
I can't close my account because the membership is still "active" even though you got deactivated. So I cancelled and it will only be effective on Jan 6… Making a note to go delete my account then.
@alice For their sake I am closing my account forthwith. I will not tolerate being spied upon and controlled. They work for me, not the otherway around. So they´re fired!
@alice Wow, that’s shitty.
@alice
Why can’t people be kinder geesh.
@alice @AltAfterDark would a simple web presence suit your purpose? Self-hosted wordpress + WooCommerce + Stripe, with a big SEND ME MONEY button on the front page. Stripe processes payments directly to you.
(the suggested platform and plugins are examples that I happen to be familiar with, but other equally good or better solutions are certainly out there)
Fucking prude ass fucking thought police telling people how much nipple they're allowed to share or associate with. I hope you can find something else to replace this. That's so fucked.
@Moondancer so, their ToS says no porn showing labia, anus, and several other things, but suspiciously doesn't mention penises.
@alice Why am I not surprised =_= Maybe it's because they realize they couldn't post pictures of themselves on their socials if dicks were banned.
@alice @AltAfterDark that’s so lame. 😒 I mean there’s a bunch like cash app. You could link a revolving qr code so it doesn’t get flagged?
@alice @AltAfterDark suspended for being associated with a horny thing
That's some bullshit
@alice @AltAfterDark I'm assuming your Mastodon presence linked to your BMAC presence, and your BMAC presence didn't link back to your Mastodon presence, right? If so, that's really troubling, because someone (I'm also going to assume no A.I. was involved in this nonsense, which is a PRETTY generous assumption) had to review your Mastodon presence to decide on the ban.
HUGE overreach. Bad BMAC. Ugh.
@alice @AltAfterDark dafuq?
The only other platforms I know of you could get tips from are Patreon, OnlyFans, and Kofi. Not sure how much help that is to you, but I hope it's some.
@alice
Fuck them! (And not in the nice way)
🫂🫂🫂
I hope you'll find an alternative that works for you soon 🤞
@alice fuck those assholes. 😡 @AltAfterDark
@alice @AltAfterDark in the immortal words of @ErosBlog, The pornapocalypse comes for us all.
Also, I'm sorry that you were (probably) hate-reported by somebody on here.
@alice@lgbtqia.space @AltAfterDark@masto.thefword.club
So are you planning on setting up a po box so I can send you paper money in an envelope? It seems it's the only way to not run afoul of those idiotic control freaks
@alice This seems to have MAGA written all over it.
@alice wait wait wait so they get to collect the interest on a full 30-day float? wow, _shady_
(I do not have any immediate suggestions other than to check the funding partners of any new service carefully to prevent future issues like this)
That's whack, so in their eyes because you're taking tips through their platform, you must abide by their terms not only on their platform, but your whole life? Disgraceful.
@joykill @alice @AltAfterDark
... Almost like patreon does.
Sheesh the state of things :(
First things first, let's get Alice back on their feet
@Aprazeth @joykill @alice @AltAfterDark
Patreon claims that I have porn on my Patreon and they have suspended it. So, (I say rhetorically), it looks like they take other sites into consideration, too. So, that's great! 👍
But there's still no porn from me on any site anywhere.
(My Patreon is just science opnion-piece essays.)
@alice Had someone left a spicy comment or anything?
@alexlomas nope. I just got some donations yesterday thanking me for being wholesome and kind to others. Then got banned the next morning.
@alice Ugh, I just saw your last post. So sorry you’ve been hit with the credit card ban hammer.
@CliftonR I would love that, I'm looking for another way to accept tips now. Hopefully I'll find something soon 💞
@alice My kofi was yeeted for the same reason. Linking from a social media page with adult content.
Buymeacoffee don't explicitly have that policy but seem to enforce similarly. A degree of separation can help
Throne and patreon are ones I've seen used, if you're looking for alts
@babe @alice Patreon’s customer service and tech glitches are so bad I finally left for Substack, which I then left to write my own nonmonetized website on Neocities. Not sure what’s an unenshittified way to send and receive money digitally anymore; Cash App seems to be hanging in there, as far as I can tell . . . ? It’s all pushing me more toward cash, checks, trades, and nonmonetary gifting.
@babe thank you ❤️ (and I'm sorry you had to go through this too).
@alice what the absolute giddy-up fuck?? 😤
@alice if stripe is your payment processor (IIRC buy me a coffee requires an external processor) you could consider DIYing something.
@lavenderjamie @alice Happy to help set a page up if that's wanted and Stripe is the processor involved here: I spend my consulting time mostly working with sites that take payment through Stripe.
@alice didn't realise that BuyMeACoffee was run by the Grinch 😤
Hope someone actually sees your appeal before too long and everything is resolved in your favour.
@alice
🫂
Keep us posted about how that goes 🤞
Did they retain some money you were owed or do the payments go directly to you?
@koalou I had over $800 in the account that you amazing folx had just donated yesterday. They say it'll be refunded to the donors.
I wrote their support to express my disgust, they did reply that you can email them to support@buymeacoffee.com and request the refund processing be expedited. Not sure what that means in terms of timelines though 🤷
@alice Jeffy Spaghetti... I hope it all comes right for you. Of all the people who don't deserve this, you (and many others) are at the top of the list.
@alice
I’m wondering how they determined that, did they provide evidence?
@EVDHmn no, but I'm guessing someone complained and pointed them to AltAfterDark (which has my name on it).
@alice Being a sexhaver is evidence enough, it seems
@alice Who do we politely complain to? Someone needs a stern talking to about this decision.
Good grief. Big hugs to you x
@alice very fucking nice... would liberapay work for you?
@autisticplushy I don't have any other ways of accepting tips aside from bank deposit currently, but I suppose I should find one.
@autisticplushy @alice
Second this. Liberapay is how my Mastodon server is funded.
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