@kim_harding @JugglingWithEggs @vfrmedia @pelle @mpjgregoire I think this is a progress over perfection thing. In the long term we need to get rid of private vehicles, but realistically starting from the way we've structured the world now the intermediate step needs to be replacing ICEs with EVs and lack of charging infrastructure is holding that back. Not just for personal mobility but vans transporting goods too, there's less of clear path to overhauling goods logistic than transporting people
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@kim_harding @JugglingWithEggs @vfrmedia @pelle @mpjgregoire But I would definitely like to see that alongside massive investment in public transport, safe cycling infrastructure and rural broadband as well as rent controls in areas close to employment to reduce the amount of commuting that has to happen in the first place
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#electriccars are a fake #greenwashing solution, like #carboncapture, or like the danish "climate NGOs" telling people to drop cows and eat pigs instead to reduce CO₂:
> At the moment, an electric car of 60 kilowatt hours (kWh) consuming 20 kilowatt hours per 100 kilometers would have to cover exactly 697,612 km before it is greener than an average petrol car that consumes six liters per 100 kilometers. This is what the Autogids.be website reports.
https://www.ad.nl/auto/bericht-over-vuile-elektrische-auto-klopt-in-de-verste-verte-niet~a03b9a02/?slug_rd=1
@pelle @afewbugs @kim_harding @JugglingWithEggs @vfrmedia @mpjgregoire There's a lot wrong with EVs, but that 700k km figure is absolute nonsense. For example, the calculation ascribes huge CO2 emmissions to battery production but none to petrol production. The actual break-even point is already easily below the life mileage of an average car and is only going to come down as the grid gets greener and battery tech improves.
@pelle @kim_harding @JugglingWithEggs @vfrmedia @mpjgregoire I actually support both of those examples as harm reduction measures - I would prefer it if people stopped eating animals altogether and we moved away from private vehicles entirely, but realistically that's not going to happen immediately and until we get there, if people won't give up meat entirely then switching from beef to pork will at least reduce carbon emissions, as will petrol to electric vehicle, and every gram of warming
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... and that's how you end up supporting sending millions of kids to #gaschambers as a "realistic" "green" policy. 😞
@pelle @kim_harding @JugglingWithEggs @vfrmedia @mpjgregoire I don't like or support it, but if people are going to continue eating meat and doing the animal welfare harm I'd rather they were doing less of the environmental harm at the same time
@pelle @kim_harding @JugglingWithEggs @vfrmedia @mpjgregoire in the end it comes down to different theories of how we effect change. Do we take a harm reduction approach of trying to make things better in small increments now, or do we overturn the entire way we do things so harm isn't built in to the foundations of our society? To which my answer would be yes. We need to be doing both.
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@pelle @kim_harding @JugglingWithEggs @vfrmedia @mpjgregoire emissions we save now will save lives of both humans and other beings in the long run even if we can't stop emitting all of it immediately
@pelle @kim_harding @JugglingWithEggs @vfrmedia @mpjgregoire I have to confess I'm not an EV specialist, I don't drive myself so I don't know anything about cars and I don't speak Dutch so can't read the article, so I'm hoping someone who does have the figures will chime in here. But everything I've read to date seems to be saying that for an equivalent sized newly purchased car carbon emissions are lower for EVs than petrol engines.
I can't read Dutch but the translation says the 697,000 number is very
wrong.
Posters blurb compares an inefficient electric, 20kWh/100km, to an efficient gas 6l/100km. rather disingenuous. In the real world a Hyundai Kona uses 14kWh in electric trim, or 8.8l in gas trim. Most electrics use less than 15kWh per 100km.
The carbon break even point is about 20,000km https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/what-on-earth-ev-climate-impact-1.7608679
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@pelle @kim_harding @JugglingWithEggs @vfrmedia @mpjgregoire Although obviously tyre shedding and dangers to wildlife and pedestrians, particularly children, are equivalent whatever the car is powered by.