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Stefano Marinelli
Stefano Marinelli
@stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe  ·  activity timestamp last week

Tonight the waves of bot traffic hitting many of the servers I manage have intensified, including Brew on BSD Cafe, but not only that. Honestly, the feeling I have now is no longer the same as it was some time ago (AI scrapers), but that there are real disruption operations going on. I can see it’s much more concentrated around certain providers and certain datacenters. If I block some countries like China, the numbers drop dramatically.

I still haven’t figured out whether there’s something specific and targeted happening (a broad DDoS) or if they’re still scrapers, but they honestly seem really dumb.

Maybe we should just create an alternative network and leave the Internet to these entities.
At this point they’re just talking to themselves anyway.

#IT #SysAdmin #Networking #DDoS

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Recovered Expert
Recovered Expert
@RecoveredExpert@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 days ago

@stefano an alternative network won’t prevent this. At least if it’s open - which it has to be in order to become widespread and useful. Then it’s just a matter of time until bad actors join and cause problems.

As the saying does: you can’t solve non-technical Problems with technology.

This problem needs to be solved via laws, regulations and enforcement of those. There’s no other way.

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as400 🇪🇺 🇺🇦 🐧
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@as400@mas.to replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@stefano

Maybe that wave of bots is hyperscalers way of telling you: "you need to buy more powaaaa".
Think about what would average so called "cloud engineer" do ? Answer: scale her/his K8 clusters to the sky to cope with load.

😎

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Stefano Marinelli
Stefano Marinelli
@stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@as400 the "fun" fact is that I moved a workload to a more powerful hardware (planned migration) and the thing worsened, as those bots probably found out the response times decreased.

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EF
EF
@EF@mastodon.bsd.cafe replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@stefano we need the Internet2 which cannot be controlled by corporations and stuff lile advertising/cookies can be switched off by users.

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Chris ÁBRÁHÁM
Chris ÁBRÁHÁM
@chris@abraham.su replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@stefano

#IT #SysAdmin #Networking #DDoS
Good luck

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TomAoki
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@TomAoki@mastodon.bsd.cafe replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@stefano
Making web.archive.org (Wayback Machine) as "only single service that is allowed to crawl using robots in the world" and any others commercially want to use data on Internet to purchase data from them (of course, only allowed to do ones. Would need i.e., "no AI, no commercial" option in robots.txt not to be sold to AI things) seems to be the way to go.
And force purchasing data from Wayback Machine to be outside Internet (dedicated leased line, for example) would significantly lower the unndeeded traffics.
Keeping Wayback Machine in good manner (strictly obbey robots.txt, restricting crawling frequencies, contracting with authors directly by Wayback Machine if contents are allowed to be sold, and so on) would be needed, too.
This way, all "allowed" contents that are not too often (over once a day, for example) to be updated could kept public even when the server services are gone disregarding the intentions of authors there.

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EnigmaRotor
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@EnigmaRotor@mastodon.bsd.cafe replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@stefano packet radio 😅 Uhm… yes another layer of network “tor style” seems to be necessary. It is painful to give them the internet, and having to use another “stealth” layer. We will need to import vital resources to this. No pb for the hobbyists, but I don’t expect banks to be open to the idea of existing on some over network. I would applause my bank if it had an .onion :-)

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Andreas (82MHz)
Andreas (82MHz)
@82mhz@mastodon.bsd.cafe replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@stefano This is so frustrating and infuriating to see.
I had a discussion with a few folks on here just yesterday and we came to the same conclusion... just have a private separate network and leave the internet to the robots and corporations. It seems more and more like a lost cause...

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nathanael
nathanael
@nathanael@exquisite.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@82mhz @stefano you want to create a walled garden?

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Andreas (82MHz)
Andreas (82MHz)
@82mhz@mastodon.bsd.cafe replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@nathanael @stefano
An alternative to the corporate internet would be nice, one which is open and free of ads and trackers and AI scrapers... but it would immediately be invaded by the corporations as soon as they discovered that they could milk it for money, so I don't think this would survive very long.

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God Emperor of Mastodon
God Emperor of Mastodon
@mms@mastodon.bsd.cafe replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@82mhz @nathanael @stefano come to Gemini. I am still looking for the cookies.

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Stefano Marinelli
Stefano Marinelli
@stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@mms @82mhz @nathanael I need to find the time to get deeper into Gemini

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God Emperor of Mastodon
God Emperor of Mastodon
@mms@mastodon.bsd.cafe replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@stefano @82mhz @nathanael It seems there is no *deep*. Technically, TLS is the only complicated thing.

The gemini-sphere on the other hand? I still need to understand how to properly use it.

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Andreas (82MHz)
Andreas (82MHz)
@82mhz@mastodon.bsd.cafe replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@stefano @mms @nathanael
Coming soon: gemini://bsd.cafe 😉

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wikiyu
wikiyu
@wikiyu@infosec.exchange replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@mms @82mhz @nathanael @stefano

And since we have this google ai product with the same name its really easy to google about a gemini protocol ... Thanks google.

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God Emperor of Mastodon
God Emperor of Mastodon
@mms@mastodon.bsd.cafe replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@wikiyu @82mhz @nathanael @stefano Yes, it's close to impossible to find anything.

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Denez Van Dyck ⏚
Denez Van Dyck ⏚
@dvd@mamot.fr replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@mms

To find something in Geminispace, the best way is to search for it in Geminispace itself. There are at least two excellent Gemini search engines:

gemini://kennedy.gemi.dev/

gemini://tlgs.one/

@wikiyu @82mhz @nathanael @stefano

#gemini #GeminiProtocol #GeminiCapsules

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Stefano Marinelli
Stefano Marinelli
@stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@82mhz @nathanael sadly true

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Stefano Marinelli
Stefano Marinelli
@stefano@mastodon.bsd.cafe replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@82mhz True. I'm so sad about it. Keeping services up and running is becoming more and more difficult. But hey! We have the claaaaauuuuddd! But I wonder: how expensive will the bills be with all this?

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