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Charlie Stross
Charlie Stross
@cstross@wandering.shop  ·  activity timestamp yesterday
Nömenlōony
Nömenlōony
@nomenloony@nomenloony.com  ·  activity timestamp yesterday

I'm an electrician.

I dare you to use ChatGPT to wire a plug.

This is why AI is absolute horse shit.

#chatgpt #aibullshit #aiisdangerous

RE: https://nomenloony.com/@nomenloony/116019280517956996

Notes for Americans:

1. Until 1992 you had to wire your own plugs onto new electrical appliances (they were sold without pre-molded plugs).

2. Mains voltage is 230VAC, not 110VAC. It'll kill ya.

3. If you follow ChatGPT's advice *YOU WILL DIE*.

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Elaine Coates
Elaine Coates
@elaine1helen@mstdn.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 14 hours ago

@cstross So here’s what I don’t understand. If I search “How to wire a UK plug” and ignore the AI, the first handful of sites I checked all have correct wiring diagrams. There must be hundreds of correct diagrams online. So if the AI is basing its answers on what it finds, why is it getting this wrong? It should be easier to get it right than wrong !

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Charlie Stross
Charlie Stross
@cstross@wandering.shop replied  ·  activity timestamp 14 hours ago

@elaine1helen AIs are *generative* and they're designed to generate an answer shaped object, not provide an *actual* answer.

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Trammell Hudson
Trammell Hudson
@th@social.v.st replied  ·  activity timestamp 14 hours ago

@cstross this is still ok, right?

EU plug in a UK outlet thanks to a key pushed into the grounding slot to open the ways for the round, ungrounded euro plug
EU plug in a UK outlet thanks to a key pushed into the grounding slot to open the ways for the round, ungrounded euro plug
EU plug in a UK outlet thanks to a key pushed into the grounding slot to open the ways for the round, ungrounded euro plug
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Albert Hickey
Albert Hickey
@winkleink@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 18 hours ago

@cstross

Copilot just now with prompt.
show me a picture to explain how to wire a UK plug

Interested in the Earth being a 4th pin and the Earth pin having a live (coloured) wire going to it.
Also, a screw labelled as LIVE is concerning.

Image of Copilot AI generated image of the wiring of a UK plug.  Illustrating that for plug wiring AI is a risk.
From the top of the plug image.
Second brown live wire going to Earth pin
Earth yellow and green  wire going to a 4th pin that doesn't existing
Live brown wire going to live pin directly with no fuse.
Neutral blue going to correct neutral pin.
Screw on right marked as LIVE.
Image of Copilot AI generated image of the wiring of a UK plug. Illustrating that for plug wiring AI is a risk. From the top of the plug image. Second brown live wire going to Earth pin Earth yellow and green wire going to a 4th pin that doesn't existing Live brown wire going to live pin directly with no fuse. Neutral blue going to correct neutral pin. Screw on right marked as LIVE.
Image of Copilot AI generated image of the wiring of a UK plug. Illustrating that for plug wiring AI is a risk. From the top of the plug image. Second brown live wire going to Earth pin Earth yellow and green wire going to a 4th pin that doesn't existing Live brown wire going to live pin directly with no fuse. Neutral blue going to correct neutral pin. Screw on right marked as LIVE.
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DJDarren
DJDarren
@DJDarren@mendeddrum.org replied  ·  activity timestamp 13 hours ago

@winkleink @cstross Always keen to jump on a bandwagon, I just asked Gemini to draw me a diagram of how to wire a UK plug. And, well, I'm not asking Sundar Pichai for any DIY help any time soon.

An AI rendering of how a UK plug should be wired. It is, it's fair to say, an abomination.

It appears to have five pins. The earth pin doesn't seem to be wired to anything, while the live and neutral both feed into a central fuse that runs across.
An AI rendering of how a UK plug should be wired. It is, it's fair to say, an abomination. It appears to have five pins. The earth pin doesn't seem to be wired to anything, while the live and neutral both feed into a central fuse that runs across.
An AI rendering of how a UK plug should be wired. It is, it's fair to say, an abomination. It appears to have five pins. The earth pin doesn't seem to be wired to anything, while the live and neutral both feed into a central fuse that runs across.
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Charlie Stross
Charlie Stross
@cstross@wandering.shop replied  ·  activity timestamp yesterday

There are WORSE AI-generated images of how to wire a UK mains plug. Here's one I saved last year.

An indescribably horrifying diagram of something which is not a British mains plug. WTF is a "blive" wire when it's at home, and why are there four different colour-coded wires coming out of the mains lead, and how the hell does the M. C. Escher style perspective on the pin on the left work?

I cannot accurately describe this image, it makes no visual sense.
An indescribably horrifying diagram of something which is not a British mains plug. WTF is a "blive" wire when it's at home, and why are there four different colour-coded wires coming out of the mains lead, and how the hell does the M. C. Escher style perspective on the pin on the left work? I cannot accurately describe this image, it makes no visual sense.
An indescribably horrifying diagram of something which is not a British mains plug. WTF is a "blive" wire when it's at home, and why are there four different colour-coded wires coming out of the mains lead, and how the hell does the M. C. Escher style perspective on the pin on the left work? I cannot accurately describe this image, it makes no visual sense.
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James Ravenscroft
James Ravenscroft
@jamesravey@social.lol replied  ·  activity timestamp 18 hours ago

@cstross ah yes people often make the mistake of confusing live and blive. Thankfully this diagram makes it very clear which is which

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Jon
Jon
@oddhack@mstdn.social replied  ·  activity timestamp yesterday

@cstross I figure at the rate of the Accelerando, we are no more than weeks away from "agentic AI" demanding access to people's financial accounts. Hopefully some of those people will be billionaires drinking their own Kool-Aid.

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James 🌈💜
James 🌈💜
@shaknais@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 22 hours ago

@oddhack @cstross

Don't worry, your bank will do it for you.

https://www.macquarie.com.au/digital-banking/q-ai-agent.html

Meet Q: Macquarie’s AI agent for your money questions.

Q is your AI agent, ready to make banking easier. Whether it’s managing your account or answering your everyday banking questions, Q is here to help.
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Nigel Wadsworth
Nigel Wadsworth
@nygl@aus.social replied  ·  activity timestamp yesterday

@cstross I just asked Gemini to create one for us in Australia. Might try it later… just not sure…

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Paul Turnbull 🇨🇦
Paul Turnbull 🇨🇦
@Chigaze@mstdn.ca replied  ·  activity timestamp 14 hours ago

@nygl @cstross I feel like these are evidence these things are becoming aware and actively working to kill us.

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Christian Sievers
Christian Sievers
@Sie@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 19 hours ago

@nygl @cstross great fun. Here's a technical illustration for European plugs

Gemini image results for the prompt "do a technical instruction image, of the inside of just one plug, illustrating how the wires need to be connected"
Gemini image results for the prompt "do a technical instruction image, of the inside of just one plug, illustrating how the wires need to be connected"
Gemini image results for the prompt "do a technical instruction image, of the inside of just one plug, illustrating how the wires need to be connected"
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Eric Goodwin
Eric Goodwin
@auxonic@ottawa.place replied  ·  activity timestamp yesterday

@cstross Blive implies the existence of a Bdead

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