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@rdm@aus.social  ·  activity timestamp yesterday

The thing about a base on the moon is that everyone underestimates the amount of support the Earth provides. Even with a so-called sealed environment, there is considerable support provided by the outside.

So when they established the first moonbase, it was very short lived. To be fair, it was only really intended as a temporary establishment, but it only lasted just over one and a half times the design life. Which for a NASA project is abysmal. So 36 months after being established, it was abandoned. The next one, an ESA project, lasted about the same.

The third was a Chinese military one. It was meant to be permanent, but they abandoned it after two years because of the cost of resupply.

The fourth one was an attempt at a lunar hotel. It lasted three months before the company running it went bust, and a joint NASA/ESA rescue mission had to be sent to bring the staff home.

The fifth one was a genuine attempt at colonisation, headed up by a multi-billionaire. They were well funded, and established a large semi-underground city space. Several hundred people moved there. Most of them died there. The oxygen plant worked, the CO2 scrubbers worked, but the small population did not have enough depth in skills to keep it running safely. Eight people survived the catastrophic cascade that destroyed the biome and the containment. Only seven of them made it back to Earth. The last one remained behind to manage the launch of the one remaining earth-return ship.

The sixth and seventh ones followed similar patterns, at great loss of life.

This cooled the idea of a permanent moon base for several decades.

Eventually someone tried again. This time it was an international consortium of space agencies. Their objective was to try and determine what would be needed for any sort of permanent non-terrestrial colony.

The answer was shocking to everyone.

Over thirty thousand people ended up needed to provide the required depth of skills. And for each of them approximately two hectares of wild space was needed, in addition to the farmed areas.

What was the extra space for? It provided sufficient complexity to the support biomes to ensure that they could not easily go into a systemic collapse. It provided for pollinators to breed, for detritus processors to grow, and all the millions of little things that were needed for an actual ecosystem.

It took them nearly thirty years to build it. And it remains the only one that Earth has ever successfully built.

The Selenites, as they call themselves, have, however, built two more as their population has grown.

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Isaac Ji Kuo
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@isaackuo@spacey.space replied  ·  activity timestamp yesterday

@rdm Swamp Castle

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@becomingwisest@hachyderm.io replied  ·  activity timestamp yesterday

@rdm TLDR, TIL https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selene

Selenites makes me think of the character Harry Seldon, and I had initially been thinking Clarkes would be a good name instead.

I’m glad I searched.

And I kinda prefer your version, instead of having Earth export its prison/slavery as what is the first to survive.

Selene - Wikipedia

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@rdm@aus.social replied  ·  activity timestamp yesterday

@becomingwisest

I borrowed the term from Wells. And I always thought that prison/slave colony concept - aside from anything else - was simply not sustainable, because of the amount of technical knowledge required!

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Madagascar_Sky
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@Madagascar_Sky@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp yesterday

@rdm
I have never seen anyone else do the very important concept of 'depth of technical knowledge' before. I may just not know of them.

But it is such an important concept that people don't consider. So many real life colonisation efforts (counting those outside of the recent european efforts) have fizzled out or failed because there just wasn't enough brain matter between all the people to retain all the important technical concepts and skills.

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@Madagascar_Sky@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp yesterday

@rdm

And I also like how you've addressed that enough biological space is needed so that biological systems that support us can survive themselves.

One concept I don't see explored is that you need all that space so that viruses and bacteria don't have enough hosts in such a confined space so that they can change and iterate much much faster. On earth they are stopped by the sheer mass of other biological systems and physical distance. Packed like sardines and they'll have a field day!

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@rdm@aus.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 22 hours ago

@Madagascar_Sky

Both of these are aspects that just are not considered enough. And why the oligarch attempts will fail, and fail badly for all concerned.

The Expanse touched on some of the points, but only lightly.

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@Madagascar_Sky@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 22 hours ago

@rdm

Lol, the oligarchs just don't have that many friends and cult followers! Their fantasies of outlasting catastrophes in their doomsday bunkers are just fantasies! If they could outlast the catastrophe, because pretty sure their underlings would break the shock collars and make ravioli out of them and their family.

But yeah, they just do not have enough people to follow them for a viable human civilisation transplant.

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