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@nathanael@exquisite.social · 6 days ago

@justenoughducks @sab @Tutanota @agowa338

you're wrong on everything you've said

pgp works without password (probably not recommended)

when someone sends me (i am not using proton) from proton an email. proton gets my pgp pubkey automatically, without user interaction and encrypts the email to me and i can get the pubkey of every user at proton over an api from proton and encrypt my email to them (not automatically)

thunderbird is a client and not an email provider. they don't have some own proprietary alternatives. everyone can use pgp with thunderbird

your auntifa liza 🇵🇷 🦛 🦦

@blogdiva@mastodon.social · 5 days ago

@Tutanota ooooooh. game changer. thank you 👍🏽🫶🏽 🫵🏽

Mason Loring Bliss

@mason@partychickens.net · 6 days ago

@Tutanota Hrm. And the very next message in my feed...

I'll link my reply to the previous post rather than copying it here.

https://partychickens.net/@mason/116092009787558935

@cmccullough

Chad McCullough

@cmccullough@polymaths.social · 5 days ago

@mason Tuta does use end-to-end encryption and they are fully open source. I like PGP but it has its issues.

@Tutanota

Mason Loring Bliss

@mason@partychickens.net · 5 days ago

@cmccullough @Tutanota But if you want the end to end encryption, it's not actually email. Or are you saying that there's a way to communicate with folks using other software?

It's a bit more like Signal, isn't it?

Klaus Frank

@agowa338@chaos.social · 6 days ago

@Tutanota

Why do I need an addon? The entire point of wanting to use Thunderbird is for it to integrate into the regular UX of Thunderbird. Not to have it in a browser tab within Thunderbird...

Stian

@sab@hostux.social · 6 days ago

There's no standardized way of handling end-to-end encryption in Email, so a few providers ( @Tutanota and Proton, to my knowledge) offer their own in-house solutions for it.

These solutions render the services incompatible with the standards powering clients like Thunderbird. It also is limited to emails within the same provider.

The only real solution would probably be an update of the e-mail protocol to allow for standardized E2EE.
@agowa338

JustEnoughDucks

@justenoughducks@mastodon.online · 6 days ago

@sab @Tutanota @agowa338

There is, openPGP and S/MIME, but the problem is they don't work keyless/password less for the vast vast majority of email use cases.

Thunderbird and Proton have made their own proprietary alternatives... *which also don't support the same thing outside of their own ecosystem which means they are useless for 99.9% of email usecases* just like the standard alternatives. They only work for vendor lock-in communication and marketing.

It is the XKCD standards comic.

nathanael

@nathanael@exquisite.social · 6 days ago

@justenoughducks @sab @Tutanota @agowa338

you're wrong on everything you've said

pgp works without password (probably not recommended)

thunderbird is a client and not an email provider. they don't have some own proprietary alternatives. everyone can use pgp with thunderbird

Klaus Frank

@agowa338@chaos.social · 6 days ago

@nathanael @justenoughducks @sab @Tutanota

Also PGP as well as S/MIME have provider independent RFC standards. Including ones for public key distribution via DNS.

Which e.g. #posteo_de implements.

#posteo

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