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@rl_dane@polymaths.social  路  activity timestamp 5 days ago

@magitian @Radio_Azureus

Isn't that worse? The whole CSD craziness is being driven by the Gnome guys.

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@rl_dane@polymaths.social  路  activity timestamp 5 days ago

@Radio_Azureus

Always loved GIMP, but I'm not loving the GTK 3.x look. :/

Putting buttons in the titlebar is a dumb idea, and I'm dying on this hill.

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@magitian@fedia.social  路  activity timestamp 5 days ago

@rl_dane@polymaths.social @Radio_Azureus@ioc.exchange It might be worthwhile to check adw-gtk3 out - it makes GTK3 applications resemble libadwaita ones.

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@magitian @Radio_Azureus

Isn't that worse? The whole CSD craziness is being driven by the Gnome guys.

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@Radio_Azureus@ioc.exchange  路  activity timestamp 5 days ago

Tastes differ. It's clearly a great option for @magitian and many others.

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@rl_dane@polymaths.social  路  activity timestamp 5 days ago

@Radio_Azureus @magitian

I will respectfully disagree, I think CSDs are broken by design, not only because they break forty years of effective UI design practices and require you to think about where you're grabbing the window to move it, but they make the buttons harder to see, and are a way for the DE and the app maker to exercise influence over the user, by making the application look out of place if they're using it on a desktop other than what it was intended for. The titlebar is something I should have influence over as a user, not have it dictated to me by the dev. There are settings and customizations I rely on for the way I work, and CSDs don't respect those.

If it were simply a matter of taste, I'm all about live and let live. But IMO CSDs are harming user choice and making computing worse. I can't help but view them as UI enshittification in the FOSS world.

But I'm much more frustrated by the trend to use iPad/iPhone-style scrollbars in modern desktop UIs. That is fundamentally broken, and bull-headed.

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