@dendrobatus_azureus @Radio_Azureus @magitian
I loved xfce and enjoyed tweaking it, but it seems they're following Gnome into CSD madness, along with GTK. I hope this changes.
And honestly, CSDs aren't the worst things in UI design today, not by far.
As far as the scrollbars, there was a huge culture shift in Apple between 2007-2014 or so, where the iPhone "department" (business division or whatever) became dominant and grossly overshadowed the Macintosh group. Somehow (for that reason or because of completely unrelated factors), it became popular for MacOS to copy iOS, and the (arguably useless) scrollbars were one of the first things to come along.
[MacOS copied iOS], Windows copied MacOS, Linux copied both, and welcome to hades, please wait for a daimon to poke you with with his trident. 馃檮
Edit: typo