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I am thankful that I do not need to say „thankyou“ to #Bluesky, the company and its investors for the verification of accounts or to ask them for changes in their configuration so that my social media platform is working.

It shows how dependent #Eurosky and #ATProto still is on Bluesky. They are at the mercy of them. And I do not trust Eurosky to be ever free and fully independent, even if I really want to believe in it.

Please change my mind, but for now I keep on building on ActivityPub.

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Screenshot: Robin Berjon reacts to the verification of @Eurosky.social in ATProto, trough Bluesky, the company. „I guess we‘re real now“

Screenshot: Miscondiguration of rate limits from Blueskys side lead to problems in Eurosky.

Screenshot with the explaination why rate limits from Bluesky blocked Eurosky. And then a big thank you to Bluesky for solving the problems and being responsive.

Screenshots with more context on the dependence of Eurosky being at the mercy of Bluesky.

#eurosky #atproto #bluesky

PoLiTiPeT

@politipet@piaille.fr · last month

@Sascha would you also build on ActivityPub by "invading" #Bluesky / #Eurosky via @bsky.brid.gy ?

I find Bridgy pretty handful for showing how cool AP is, directly inside Bluesky/AT - thereby kinda demonstrating protocols and networks are "bothers" rather than ennemies.

Sascha Foerster :bonndigital:

@Sascha@bonn.social · last month

@politipet @bsky.brid.gy I think bridges are okayish. They are still single point of failure. They should only work with active opt-in. But they remove a big disadvantage a see in AT: they kill the public blocklists in AT while still providing my content from AP. And lastly: I wonder why there should be two „social protocols“ at the same time. It’s good to have some time to learn from each other. On the longterm it should be one working protocol for all social web things.

hannes99

@hannes99@mastodon.social · last month

@Sascha same is valid for #WSocial and #Wedium, IMHO.

#eurosky #bluesky #flashes #bigtech #monnett

hannes99

@hannes99@mastodon.social · last month

@Sascha same is valid for #WSocial and #Wedium, IMHO.

#eurosky #bluesky #bigtech #monnett

Jaap-Henk Hoepman 🟥 ⬜️ 🟩 ⬛️

@xot@someone.elses.computer · last month

@Sascha @aerique But how is this different from AcrivityPub/Mastodon? If I am on a large instance A and want to reach members of another large instance B I need the cooperation of B too (it needs to federate with me), no?

Sascha Foerster :bonndigital:

@Sascha@bonn.social · last month

@xot @aerique Let me try (I might fail):
- Verification is easy in ActivityPub (AP): If I am on A, I can verify without any interaction of instance B. (Of course verification in ATProto (AT) and AP are different verifications anyway, AP verifies links, AT verifies accounts AFAIK).
- Rate limits: Users of A in AP do not care for any rate limits on B when talking to each other or other instances than B. All Eurosky-PDS-users are limited by Blueskys rate limit now in AT.

wakest ⁂

@liaizon@social.wake.st · last month

@Sascha @xot @aerique ActivityPub has no analogous feature to the Verification we are looking at here on Bluesky. If you are talking about Mastodon's implementation of rel="me" link verification this is not an part of ActivityPub this is Mastodon using the a microformat developed by the IndieWeb community and it really does a totally different thing then the Verified badge that Bluesky has. And any server in the fediverse can set up a rate limit, and I am sure many have *some* in place.

Sascha Foerster :bonndigital:

@Sascha@bonn.social · last month

@liaizon @xot @aerique I guessed I might fail. 🤷‍♂️

But the question of dependency stays. How does someone get verified on AT? It’s by Bluesky? Or can Eurosky themselfes decide to grant „some colourful image trough a process called verification“? They are dependent on Bluesky, no?

The rate limit of Bluesky, why does it disturb Eurosky in functioning as a whole? It’s because of dependency on Blueskys infrastructure, isn’t it?

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Jaap-Henk Hoepman 🟥 ⬜️ 🟩 ⬛️

@xot@someone.elses.computer · last month

@Sascha @aerique Thanks. Wasn’t aware that all Eurosky-PDS-users are limited by Blieskys rate limit, even when talking to each other. That’s a fundamental difference indeed.