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Jules she/her
Jules she/her
@afewbugs@social.coop  ·  activity timestamp 5 days ago

@pelle @wav3ydave @kim_harding @JugglingWithEggs @vfrmedia @mpjgregoire I don't think anyone's arguing that evs are a "green" or good thing, just les damaging than petrol cars, and our disagreement is over whether it's worth going for a little less damage now or whether it's possible to go for the complete elimination of damage immediately

brainwashed by lentils
brainwashed by lentils
@pelle@veganism.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 5 days ago

@afewbugs @wav3ydave @kim_harding @JugglingWithEggs @vfrmedia @mpjgregoire
the question is: less damage than what?

if i hit you in the face with a baseball bat, i could argue that it caused much less damage than the gun i was about to shoot you with, so you should be thankful tome that i reduced harm to you.

of course this is absurd, because it is unnecessary for me to attack you in the first place — just like it is unnecessary to eat animals.

in that way #lesserevilism / #lessharm / #lessmeat can lead to acceptance of a lot of evil, harm and meat eating.

last time i listened to a speech by someone from #effectivealtruism, she did a long presentation to explain how they could reduce harm by spending an awful lot of money on donating farming equipment to fish farms. 🙃

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brainwashed by lentils
brainwashed by lentils
@pelle@veganism.social  ·  activity timestamp 6 days ago

@kim_harding @JugglingWithEggs @afewbugs @vfrmedia @mpjgregoire

if the article and you all here are right, and almost everyone want to end #carnism and #motornormativity, then why does it continue?

the article in #theguardian place the responsibility on a "minority rightwing voices" that are somehow forcing the ecoconcious majority to eat #pigs and drive #cars despite not really wanting to.

did they swap your #tofu with pig sausages in your shopping basket or your fridge? did they hypnotize you to buy a #tesla against your will instead of an #ebike?

in my view, a much more likely answer is a hypocritical mentality of "everyone else are the problem", which would also explain the underestimated support for green policies.

a climate spokesperson for the danish environmentalist party ( #theresascavenious from #alternativet) was campaigning for a reduction in airplane travel, yet was regularly flying copenhagen - aalborg, and resolutely defending her right to this, despite there being excellent train connection on that journey.

most of my family support " #lessmeat", but oppose me fiercely when i suggest we eat one single #plantbased meal together.

often there is a direct connection of conscience laundering between supporting abstract policies while opposing actual tangible action right in front of us: we fill our plates with sausages made from pigs choked in a #gaschamber while me claim to support policies better #animalwelfare.

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