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@Wuzzy@cyberplace.social  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@giacomo The reason why I'm torn on the #HackingLicense is because of Condition 1. It stays I must not use the software "in contrast with the Purpose".

In my layman opinion, this could be read as a restriction to "use the program for any purpose" (Free Software Definition), or as a "discrimination against a field of endeavor" (Open Source Definition).

This reminds me of the debate whether free software licenses should forbid "evil" and the answer was no.

Giacomo Tesio
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@giacomo@snac.tesio.it replied  ·  activity timestamp yesterday
@Wuzzy@cyberplace.social

First it's important to note that over years I realized that #OSI is just a corporate (and US-led) gatekeeper organization that serve the very interests their sponsors.
You can easily see this reading their license review mailing while keeping a tab opened on the sponsors page of the day through the #WaybackMachine.
Just as a couple of example, they rejected #MongoDB's #SSPL while #Amazon was their major sponsor and adopted CAL that was way more contentious.

The last damage that OSI did to our communities has been the #Meta dictated #OSAID (OpenSource #AI Definition) better known as #OpenWashing Definition, that superseed the #OSD and does not require training data sharing, voiding the freedom to study and welcoming toxic candies within "open source" just to avoid the #AIAct requirements.

So I don't care about OSI opinion about the #HackingLicense (or about anything else).

Having said that, you are right that its first condition forbid any use of the covered work that would limit third party access or use of it.

So basically you can't use your freedom to limit the freedom of others.

Is it still a free license?
Never asked to #RMS or #FSF, but I guess that such formal constraint makes it "not free" to their eyes.

What they miss, imho, is that freedom without communion is always going to be exploited by the strongers (under #capitalism, the rich) to oppress the weakest (everybody else, the workers, the customers, the environment...) as #LLM are showing these days.

In fact the latest version of the #HackingLicense was written in response ti #GitHub #Copilot (aka #CopyALot), after it distributed #GPLv3 code from #Quake with a wrong attribution and a permissive license.

The Hacking License is a dependency inversion: if you use data or code covered by it, anything that come out can be used under such license.

Bruce Perens quits Open Source Initiative amid row over new data-sharing crypto license: 'We've gone the wrong way with licensing'

Distributed app platform's proposed agreement 'isn't freedom respecting,' he says

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@ekaitz_zarraga@mastodon.social  ·  activity timestamp 6 days ago

@giacomo I think we already discussed this, but the goal of that statement I think it was to have more participation in the GNU project's management process.

I don't think it has anything to do with the personal views of RMS, who has certainly made unfortunate comments about various subjects and didn't measure (maybe he is not able to) the noise they were going to have.

I think De Vault's RMS "sexual misconduct" alegation was bullying. I don't think this is.

Giacomo Tesio
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@giacomo@snac.tesio.it replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 days ago
@ekaitz_zarraga@mastodon.social yes I know we discussed this before and I know you are trying in good faith to make #Guix better.

That's why I didn't mention you in my first post of this thread.

Sure #DeVault's attack on #RMS was much more direct and full of lies and mischaracterizations, but the Guix one was even more vile, as backstabbing a man when he's weak is worse than a frontal attack.

Sure, #Stallman hold a lot of bad opinions. As a white american grown up during cold war I'm surprised he doesn't hold many even worse. I even think that he got wrong the fundamental values of #FreeSofware (!!!), so it's not an hero or a saint to me: I'm fully capable of debating with him on his own biggest achievements.

What I cannot accept is backstabbing a weirdo because he is too weird. And just to weaken his rigorously held line on free software.

FreeSoftware should celebrate #weirdness!
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@gnu_slash_gabber@social.tchncs.de  ·  activity timestamp 6 days ago

@giacomo @craigbro @civodul @lrvick @rekahsoft please state which part of the linked blog you consider bullying. voicing opinions is definitively not

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@giacomo@snac.tesio.it replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 days ago
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Voicing your personal opinions on your own blog or in a social network (including a mailing list) is not bullying.

Leveraging a project such as Guix against a single person is bullying.
And please, do not pretend the timing of the "joint statement" wasn't chosen to exploit the weakness of #RMS's position back then.

I'd have nothing to argue with #guix if that "joint statement" was published on the personal blogs of the signers.

I'll restore my trust in #Guix when they'll publish an equally visible apology for such a vile behavior.

But I'm afraid that it's not going to happen.

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@gnu_slash_gabber@social.tchncs.de  ·  activity timestamp 6 days ago

@giacomo @civodul @lrvick @rekahsoft Apologize for what? Having and voicing an opinion?

Giacomo Tesio
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@giacomo@snac.tesio.it replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 days ago
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#Guix leadership should publicly apologize for leading a shitstorm against #RMS that pushed him to resign from #MIT in 2019.

The excuse back then was his opinion on Minsky involvement with Epstein, but in fact the goal was to challenge his leadership over the #FreeSoftware movement.

Not content, two years later, the mob tried again.

Now, all people can have opinions, me, you, #Stallman, GUIX devs...
And they have the right to express their opinions, as both RMS and those GUIX devs did.

But they had plenty of space in their personal blogs and socials to do so.

Using the blog of guix, even ignoring the opinions of several mainteiners that still hate to be associated with that "joint statement", was #bullism.

Thus I'll consider Guix again when I'll see another joint statement on their home page apologizing for that vile attack to RMS.

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@blenderdumbass@blenderdumbass.org  ·  activity timestamp last week
"Open Source" vs "Free Software" the disagreement on Paternalism

Both "open source" and "free software" mean, in terms of software itself, largely the same thing. The source code is published. The project is developed by a community of people. The project is forkable. Many pieces of software are both "free software" and "open source" in the same time. But when you dig into the details of their definitions, you start to see differences.
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@blenderdumbass@blenderdumbass.org  ·  activity timestamp 7 days ago
"Open Source" vs "Free Software" the disagreement on Paternalism - take 2

There are two types of people. One type of people is following the ideas called "Open Source" and another one follows the ideas of "Free Software". There is a third concept that I will hope to explain in this article, called "Paternalism", that in my opinion is the dividing force between the two camps of people.
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@blenderdumbass@blenderdumbass.org  ·  activity timestamp 7 days ago
"Open Source" vs "Free Software" the disagreement on Paternalism - take 2

There are two types of people. One type of people is following the ideas called "Open Source" and another one follows the ideas of "Free Software". There is a third concept that I will hope to explain in this article, called "Paternalism", that in my opinion is the dividing force between the two camps of people.
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@blenderdumbass@blenderdumbass.org  ·  activity timestamp last week
"Open Source" vs "Free Software" the disagreement on Paternalism

Both "open source" and "free software" mean, in terms of software itself, largely the same thing. The source code is published. The project is developed by a community of people. The project is forkable. Many pieces of software are both "free software" and "open source" in the same time. But when you dig into the details of their definitions, you start to see differences.
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