@stux Not only that, but the *only* reason they've got away with it consequence-free for so long is that they *depend* on other people *being vaccinated* for their solipsistic "I didn't catch anything" "evidence." A bit like how bullies rely on the silence and compassion of their victims, and the anti-woke mob are among wokeness' biggest beneficiaries.

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> Talking with anti-vaxxers ...

Ya, that's the problem right there. 🌲

@stux My Mother had radical surgery on one leg, lived in an iron lung, and spent the rest of her life disabled. And because of the disability, she was unable to exercise and died in her 70s. But when the polio vaccine came out, she whipped her kids in to get as fast as she could. And none of her kids got polio. Imagine telling her she should avoid vaccinating her kids.

@stux Don't forget that one of the reasons why women had so many pregnancies in the old days was because so many of their babies died in early childhood from infectious diseases. The antivax crusade is a just another means of controlling women's bodies and tying them to abusve relationships and forced birtherism.

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it’s stupid to boot. It’s a let them eat cake access to public health, with zero realization that disease doesn’t recognize class boundaries.

@stux it is child MURDER.

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"Our children suffered all we proclaimed just."
SearingTruth

@stux And a huge trust issue.

@stux Heck, you only have to go back a few decades to get that point of view. I was born before the measles and polio vaccines. Several kids at my primary school had polio, a couple died and others were crippled, my parents were terrified of it. They got me vaccinated the nanosecond it came out. I didn't have the same luck with rubella or mumps, caught those before the vaccines came out, but if they'd been available you better believe I'd have been sitting in the nurse's office before I blinked!

@stux I'm into herbal medicine. I've gotten a lot of benefits from it. Instead of just believing "Hey! this plant has some overlooked chemicals in it" that community is into all sorts of woo. This morning a mother posted to /r/herbalism asking if she should get her kids vaccines for measles and other "childhood" diseases. For herself she asked if she should get the Covid 19 vaccine and the shingles vaccine.

I held my temper, and explained to her why she should given the facts.

@stux elk bezoek aan mijn schoonmoeder zie ik letterlijk de gevolgen en kinderpolio. En dan hebben van die anti-vaxxers soms het gore lef om te beweren dat dat de betere optie is. Je hele leven invalide te zijn, beter dan verzonnen aandoeningen door vaccin.

@stux how do you define an anti-vaxxer or whatever its called? I know plenty of people who get vaccinated for certain things after doing research into what they are injecting into their bodies. The same people refused to be mandated with a vaccine that was rushed and made politicians rich with their stock trades. Simply because they were cautious. Understandable. I wouldn't go as far as calling them child abusers. Like what am I even listening to at this point?

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it's also elder abuse, a lot of this is pushed in the US in hopes that our seniors (who already die earlier than those in other countries) hurry up & die

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For ANYONE contemplating taking ANY MEDICINE or ANY VACCINE, it’s is always a risk versus benefit calculation. For me, the benefits often outweigh the risks…you may come to a different conclusion, and that’s OK.
People who may tell you that everyone SHOULD TAKE the vaccine, or that NO ONE should TAKE the vaccine are BOTH wrong.
It is NOT a one size (one answer) fits all, it is individual decision dependent on circumstances

@stux it is sickening to no end that diseases are making a comeback because of the ignorance of people.

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This, plain and simple. My mom took me to a "measles party", never forgot that.

Nor the aunt who began to speak "in tongues" when she'd had enough to drink at family parties.

Many years later i realised one was connected to the other so i stay the ef away from all that mambojambo.

Left catholic church but i bet they're still at it, bigtime.

@stux There's several diseases which without vaccines would likely put me in hospital, but having had a whole bunch of scheduled and travel vaccines I'd possibly not even notice I'd been exposed to them, and I think that's pretty close to a miracle.

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Talking with anti-vaxxers always makes me angry..

Not just you, many f the antivax arguments are utterly absurd.

I have been called a 5G radio wave controlled Robot on multiple occasions, including from scary German school teachers !.
RNA Vaccine made me that way and that causes my arguments for vaccines..

Fscking great, I only spent a lot of time studying to hear that crap.

Such morons are killing babies and infecting others including vulnerable persons.

@stux Abigail Thorn, from philosophy tube, has an excellent video on this. She was part of a group of researchers who spoke to a range of folks who chose to not to get vaccinated. They aren’t arseholes, just wrong for often dumb reasons. https://youtu.be/Va0RCgbywGc?si=Icj8ySuwukXqzbqo

@stux i always wish these people could walk my local cemetery. headstones start around 1700 and for most of it’s history there is one child headstone for every other adult headstone. it’s very chilling. and i am not even a parent

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Totalitarian covid policies shattered trust?

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@stux 19th century moms didn’t have access to joe rogan

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