@pelle @wav3ydave @kim_harding @JugglingWithEggs @vfrmedia @mpjgregoire I don't think anyone's arguing that evs are a "green" or good thing, just les damaging than petrol cars, and our disagreement is over whether it's worth going for a little less damage now or whether it's possible to go for the complete elimination of damage immediately
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@afewbugs @wav3ydave @kim_harding @JugglingWithEggs @vfrmedia @mpjgregoire
the question is: less damage than what?
if i hit you in the face with a baseball bat, i could argue that it caused much less damage than the gun i was about to shoot you with, so you should be thankful tome that i reduced harm to you.
of course this is absurd, because it is unnecessary for me to attack you in the first place — just like it is unnecessary to eat animals.
in that way #lesserevilism / #lessharm / #lessmeat can lead to acceptance of a lot of evil, harm and meat eating.
last time i listened to a speech by someone from #effectivealtruism, she did a long presentation to explain how they could reduce harm by spending an awful lot of money on donating farming equipment to fish farms. 🙃
@pelle @wav3ydave @kim_harding @JugglingWithEggs @vfrmedia @mpjgregoire okay I'll take your mildly threatening analogy and work with it.
If you were determined to harm me, I would rather you hit me in the face with a baseball bat than shot me, because in one scenario I would be injured and in one I would be dead, so yes I would support a harm reduction approach. Where I hope this is serving as a climate behaviour analogy and not an actual threat is in understanding why you wanted to harm me,
@pelle @wav3ydave @kim_harding @JugglingWithEggs @vfrmedia @mpjgregoire whether there was any scope to reduce that desire and what the barriers to doing so were, and most importantly how confident I can be in my estimation of all those values. As I cannot be 100% confident of my estimation I will favour taking both approaches.
Again, really hoping this is an analogy and not an actual threat I'm dealing with here, and would appreciate clarification
@afewbugs
i mean, for people who would like to be knocked in the head to reduce harm, i'm always there to help.
for the people who advocate #gaschamber as #harmreduction, i don't have the full equipment but i believe plastic bags work just as well.
i am saying this in jest of course, but the sad truth is that the threats from the #gaschamber advocates are genuine and deadly. 😔
i am thankful that you eat #vegan but i am always astounded when someone finds it "imposing" to ask others to eat #plantbased while genuinely considering gassing kids as #harmreduction. 💨🐷
i believe that is what #stevebest would describe as #vegan #stockholmsyndrome: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHDTZniuzyc