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Jennifer Moore 馃樂
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@unchartedworlds@scicomm.xyz  路  activity timestamp 6 days ago

"During covid" is a misleading name for "2020" or "the time with the regulations" or "the time when covid deaths were in the news a lot".

Now is "during covid" as well. "During covid" is still happening now.

It went away from news media and government funding. It didn't go away from real life.

Who profited from creating the impression that it's not worth worrying about any more?

Who benefits from convincing us that the best outcome is "back to previous normal" with no upgrades or changes?

#covid #language

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The Doctor
The Doctor
@drwho@masto.hackers.town replied  路  activity timestamp 5 days ago

@unchartedworlds Who didn't profit from it?

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Matt Hodgkinson
Matt Hodgkinson
@mattjhodgkinson@scicomm.xyz replied  路  activity timestamp 6 days ago

@unchartedworlds COVID is still with us, but there is a real distinction between the early pandemic and now. The excess mortality in the first and second waves was very high, but after widespread vaccination and exposure (and the deaths of the most vulnerable) the level of excess mortality is now equivalent to winter influenza peaks. Here's figures for European countries, 2020-2023:
N酶rgaard, S.K., Nielsen, J., Schj酶rring, C.B. et al. Excess mortality in Europe estimated by EuroMOMO during the COVID-19 pandemic and previous influenza seasons. Nat Commun (2026). https://doi.org/10.1038/s41467-025-67981-1

I wish people and governments took all respiratory illness more seriously, especially because of its long-term effects (I still mask in public when I can and I isolate when ill), but this does help explain why people see a difference between then and now. The level of illness and death is more "normal", even though normalising tens of thousands of deaths of flu - or COVID - a year is terrible.

Excess mortality rates during periods of increased mortality

All ages vs +65 years, Number of all-cause excess deaths per 100,000 person-years

COVID-19 1st wave is highest, at nearly 300 for all ages and 1200 for 65+.

COVID-19 2nd wave is about 200 all ages, 800 65+

COVID-19 3rd and 4th wave are more equivalent to bad winter flu seasons, at <100 all ages, 400 65+

Winter season 2017/18 and Winter season 2014/15 were slightly more severe than COVID waves 3 & 4, Winter season 2015/16 much less severe, seasons 2016/17, 2018/19 about equivalent to later COVID waves.
Excess mortality rates during periods of increased mortality All ages vs +65 years, Number of all-cause excess deaths per 100,000 person-years COVID-19 1st wave is highest, at nearly 300 for all ages and 1200 for 65+. COVID-19 2nd wave is about 200 all ages, 800 65+ COVID-19 3rd and 4th wave are more equivalent to bad winter flu seasons, at <100 all ages, 400 65+ Winter season 2017/18 and Winter season 2014/15 were slightly more severe than COVID waves 3 & 4, Winter season 2015/16 much less severe, seasons 2016/17, 2018/19 about equivalent to later COVID waves.
Excess mortality rates during periods of increased mortality All ages vs +65 years, Number of all-cause excess deaths per 100,000 person-years COVID-19 1st wave is highest, at nearly 300 for all ages and 1200 for 65+. COVID-19 2nd wave is about 200 all ages, 800 65+ COVID-19 3rd and 4th wave are more equivalent to bad winter flu seasons, at <100 all ages, 400 65+ Winter season 2017/18 and Winter season 2014/15 were slightly more severe than COVID waves 3 & 4, Winter season 2015/16 much less severe, seasons 2016/17, 2018/19 about equivalent to later COVID waves.

Excess mortality in Europe estimated by EuroMOMO during the COVID-19 pandemic and previous influenza seasons

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yosh
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@yosh@toot.yosh.is replied  路  activity timestamp 6 days ago

@mattjhodgkinson @unchartedworlds

Death is not the only measure worth considering, quality of life is right there as well. For example long covid has now overtaken asthma as the most common chronic illness in children:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2834486

Economics: record leave of absence was (very likely) responsible for Germany tipping into a recession in 2023: https://www.barrons.com/news/germany-s-economy-ails-as-sick-leave-hurts-output-087dcc0e

And every covid infection does lasting damage to your body: https://www.panaccindex.info/p/what-covid-19-does-to-the-body-fifth

What COVID-19 Does To The Body (Fifth Edition, August 2024)

500+ Studies Later, What Have We Learned?
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viq
viq
@viq@social.hackerspace.pl replied  路  activity timestamp 5 days ago

@yosh
As a healthy teenager I got flu. I had high fever, but nothing remotely requiring hospitalisation. End of story? Nope. It gave me type 1 diabetes. I'll spare you bitching about how much effort and care and *money* goes into managing that. What I will say is that you can catch COVID much more easily, much more often, and each time has a much higher chance of leaving you with something even more interesting than diabetes.
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