It's just absurd to me how people think community means talking to people any kind of way, then saying they are 'attacking' you when we push back on it.
That's some white people shit.
For criticism to be effective, there has to be an understood context that the giver of that criticism actually cares about the targets well-being.
The fedi keeps skipping over the human part of what community is and then bitterly complaining when people reject them.
Being a cop doesn't make people trust your intentions.
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I feel like people get mad at fedi like it's one place. It's not one place..
The diagrams on the left and right are "One Place". Either Centralized, or Decentralized-centralization.
Mastodon (sites like it, and #ActivityPub in general) work like the *middle* graph..
A wide variety of whole communities could very well be the "three" planets in the lower left of the middle graph, unfederated from larger collectives.
#fedi is more than just moderation tools, it's community tools.
@mousey Yes, I know what federation is.
And it's hard to say it's not one place, when people people treat it like one space in the context of going out of their way to enforce 'rules' no matter what metaphor you want to use when speaking about instances.
And I don't know what this thought of the fedi being 'community tools' means in light of what I said previously in how a certain perspective is always being enforced.
That may be what is intended on some level, but that's not what's happening.
I think people in the fedi often try to ignore the latter because of the former.
@are0h Bear with me, I am but a mere human. I'm not tryna say I'm all knowing or anything.
...it's just.. how people *treat* fedi is orthogonal to how fedi is shaped.
It'll never be the all encompassing social space that centralized social networks had the illusion of being.
These home owner association types who come around talkin' about how people should or shouldn't be? They don't know either.
We're all out here just carving out our own spaces, where we can even block billionaires.
@mousey The cultural distinction is moot when people are police the population in the same way billionaires do.
It doesn't matter whether it's all encompassing or not.
Ideally, sure, I agree with you about what it could be.
But the reality of the fedi that has been proven many times over is that people do not want to this space to be diverse.
That's why it has the reputation it does despite the alleged well meaning intentions.
@are0h @mousey "But the reality of the fedi that has been proven many times over is that people do not want to this space to be diverse."
I think that's a human problem. We're quite clearly seeing that humanity (society?) in general isn't ready for Star Trek-style IDIC. It doesn't present any solutions for fedi (in fact it indicates there is no solution here, or in any other space) until humanity itself gets right. Sorry :/
All I can suppose is that the only way out is through, which seems to be similar(?) to the conclusion you yourself have come to.
I've witnessed several examples of a small culture that starts to grow. Initially, it feels special and unique. It can absorb new people *slowly* and acclimate newbies to the existing norms. But if growth is too fast the culture shifts towards the median and old timers chafe at the change.
I believe Fedi is experiencing this right now, and HOAs and anti-diversity types are a symptom of this. They will bitch for now, and they will fade as this culture grows and adapts.
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Eh, I wouldn't say *humanity* isn't ready.. Maybe *you're* not ready. I mean, if you can't imagine it.
I am totally ready for it.
I can imagine it! What's difficult to do is convince others they should.
Anyway. Fedi isn't just one place. There's diversity whether people like it or not.
Funkwhale is not Friendica is not Pixelfed is not Mastodon is not Misskey!
Tusky is not IceCubes is not FediLab is not Ivory!
Tell me more about how ActivityPub isn't diverse!
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@are0h I hear you. I'm not gonna say you're wrong. Your experience is why I'm here, to learn from, not discount. However, If I may offer my opinion; you really need to exercise that block button til your feed is your people.
Take it or leave it. I think you're right, people like that tho? Save your energy.
Maybe you're one of those famous people have 49857289347 followers? idk how to help with that. I'm happy you're in fedi at all.
^_^
@mousey And now we're getting to the meat of it.
'My people' are not here. That's the issue. That's why I built #thebadspace in an effort to make this place more attractive to a diverse population.
It's funny how people see who how people follow me, but don't see the small number of people that I actually follow.
It's not just certain people here and there. It's the *culture* here.
This place just doesn't like diversity, so the 'just block everyone' comment is irrelevant.
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