@john quite fair
friend of mine made a server on fluxer so i'll probably check it out soon myself
(already have a stoat account so i am already familiar with it)
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@glennmagusharvey more than you asked for but re fluxer I remain cautions: stoat gas been working on this for 5ish years... Fluxer has been around for months and floated a '499 for life' donation plan.
Open source is a requirement yes, but I need to see a certain level of good faith effort before building a community in a new place.
I get bad vibes but will keep an eye on fluxer, but am already testing stoat.
@john quite fair
friend of mine made a server on fluxer so i'll probably check it out soon myself
(already have a stoat account so i am already familiar with it)
@glennmagusharvey
Yes, video, but in https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2700353046 he spends quite a bit at the beginning of the stream discussing his research about the two, how #fluxer was apparently forced out of hiding before being fully ready for release by the #discord kerfuffle, and how he likes much more the answers that fluxer team has to a bunch of questions (accont/data deletion/export, age verification) than what #stoat has to say.
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@glennmagusharvey
Also stoat fell over and their status page mentioned architectural issues, and looking at their stack, yeah.
Meanwhile, I'm waiting for fluxer rewrite to be published, it claims to be much easier to self-host than their current rather heavy stack, but I'm also curious to see what options they'll have for scaling up the deployment.
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@glennmagusharvey the more I look at all these discord clones the more I think that the right question is not how but why
@alexanderniki because Discord is enshittifying (and people aren't satisfied with the current alternatives)
That said I don't think there really are that many of them. The only FOSS alternatives I know of that are actually close to what Discord offers are Matrix, Stoat (Revolt), and now Fluxer.
And then there's non-FOSS alternatives like Slack and root, but they have basically the same issue as Discord.
People sometimes talk about IRC, Mumble, XMPP, and TeamSpeak and Steam chat (non-FOSS), but I don't see them covering the same niche as Discord. And I say this despite being an IRC lover.
@glennmagusharvey
I also like Zulip (FOSS, not federated)
@alexanderniki
@viq @alexanderniki ooh i hadn't heard of Zulip before
@glennmagusharvey
Do check it out. They have a different model of chat, where you don't have an option to not make a thread. I find it very interesting, some people bounce right off of it 🤷
Also they have an option of making some channels publicly viewable, without logging in.
@alexanderniki