Post by @ozoned@btfree.social

@mastodonmigration@mastodon.online @_elena@mastodon.social

And you know who can never be used to make that money back?

US!

We're FREE.

Folks like BSKY, idk why. But they'll either stay or they'll leave. If they leave, they're not going back to Twitter. If they stay, maybe they don't know or maybe they don't know how good we are. Or maybe they have something we need.

How can we turn this into a strength to HELP people move over?

Bonfire is AMAZING imo. It's not Mastodon. We have so many options, we just need to convince folks that this way is better and we can suit them however they need.

AudhdDespiteNoisyAbleism 🇨🇦

@adelinej@piaille.fr · 2 months ago

@_elena Came across yesterday with my first thread on Mastodon, in which a techbro was proudly mocking others for not liking his LLM app making a summary of Mastodon posts without users consent of course. 🤬

TC Won't Give In To Lies

@TCatInReality@mastodon.social · 2 months ago

@_elena

Whenever I read something about "crytpo", I substitute the word "criminal" and it makes it much easier to understand.

Simon Zerafa (Status: 🙂🖥️🪛💾)

@simonzerafa@infosec.exchange · 2 months ago

@_elena

I sure great things could be done for the Fediverse with that level of funding though.

Where the money comes from is as important as the amount though.

argonaut

@argonaut@mastodon.social · 2 months ago

@_elena @lisamelton guess how many millions threads.net has quietly raised from FAANG companies—mostly F tho.

Mastodon's Billionaire Owner

@bluewave_kiwi@mastodon.nz · 2 months ago

@_elena
"Can you imagine Mastodon raising 100 MILLION dollars from a crypto VC fund..."

Well *I* can imagine it!

Nazo

@nazokiyoubinbou@urusai.social · 2 months ago

@_elena Someone suggested that the vague "and other interactions" very likely means people's DMs and honestly I think they're probably right because "posts, likes, and comments" kind of covers everything else...

And that would be everything since like a year ago — at least.

stux⚡️

@stux@mstdn.social · 2 months ago

@_elena I'm pretty sure the WHOLE of the Fedi does not meet 100M costs in 10 years

Combined

ozoned

@ozoned · 2 months ago

@_elena@mastodon.social I mean, I won't use BSKY EVER. I'm happy it exists for those that choose to. But we're going to keep seeing this over and over and over again. But I'm also happy because more folks that choose to use other platforms takes power away from Big Tech.

I think things like this show folks that BSKY is NOT the same as Mastodon or the fediverse in general. But I think most won't care and for those that DO care, do they care enough to move AGAIN?

And if they do, we know they won't be going to Twitter. Maybe a few will run their own whatever in the Fediverse or some will be empowered to build something themselves and make it better and AP is the only way to go really imo.

No matter what, thank you ALL for joining us on the #Fediverse because the ABOVE is the ONLY alternative that Capitalism sees and I'm happy to have REAL choice.

ArchiveScribe

@archivescribe@mastodon.social · 2 months ago

@_elena This is disappointing. I hope the best for BlueSky, but I have a bad feeling this is going to come back to haunt them.

Torsten Torsten

@torstentorsten@social.tchncs.de · 2 months ago

@_elena "Open social infrastructure" - Haha, nice bullshit term.

Monsieur_Lepetit

@Monsieur_Lepetit@toot.community · 2 months ago

@_elena
How many cats can get for this?

stonedonkey🕹️🎮👾

@stonedonkey@mastodon.social · 2 months ago

@_elena they aren't investing this kind of money if there's not a path to more money... People are the only thing of value on the platform... It's the same crap all over again with what people think is a prettier bow.

swggrkllr3rd

@swggrkllr3rd@mastodon.world · 2 months ago

@_elena Russian oligarchs ?? https://www.dw.com/en/what-do-xs-alleged-ties-to-russian-oligarchs-mean-for-musk/a-70088598

dw.com

What X's alleged ties to Russian oligarchs mean for Musk – DW – 08/30/2024

A US court filing has forced X owner Elon Musk to reveal the identities of the social media platform's investors. The move could have far-reaching repercussions.

Dorien

@tunneltoast@mastodon.social · 2 months ago

@_elena if trump supports it, then it must be really bad

leberschnitzel

@leberschnitzel@existiert.ch · 2 months ago

@_elena I mean, I run a mastodon, I'd surely not forget to disclose that!

Elena Rossini ⁂

@_elena@mastodon.social · 2 months ago

Mike Masnick, who sits on the board of #Bluesky, claims the team was too busy to announce the series B funding (see screenshot).

But something is fishy.

Even the VC firm - Bain Capital Crypto - isn't listing Bluesky anywhere on their website: https://baincapitalcrypto.com/portfolio/

Why the mystery? Was Bluesky afraid of a public backlash & asked to keep the information under wraps?

Sorry if I keep repeating myself but I will forever be skeptical of Bluesky and think of the tale of the scorpion and the frog.

a screenshot showing Mike Masnick's post on Bluesky about the one year wait to disclose the 100 million dollar series B funding. He wrote: "Nope. Team was just crazy busy and overwhelmed and timing of announcement just kept slipping."

Bain Capital Crypto

Portfolio

TC Won't Give In To Lies

@TCatInReality@mastodon.social · 2 months ago

@_elena

It's a Jack Dorsey creation. I'll never trust him and therefore never will trust #Bluesky

Anthony Bosio

@abosio@fosstodon.org · 2 months ago

@_elena They had previously announced other crypto investment, so I would not think it was that aspect.

https://bsky.social/about/blog/10-24-2024-series-a

Bluesky

Bluesky Announces Series A to Grow Network of 13M+ Users - Bluesky

Bluesky now exceeds 13 million users, the AT Protocol developer ecosystem continues to grow, and we’ve shipped highly requested features like direct messages and video.

Nazo

@nazokiyoubinbou@urusai.social · 2 months ago

@_elena "Oops, we were just too busy. Tee hee!"

They had a freaking YEAR...

cognitively accessible math

@geonz@mathstodon.xyz · 2 months ago

@_elena The whole 'gosh golly' thing ...

ozoned

@ozoned · 2 months ago

@geonz@mathstodon.xyz @_elena@mastodon.social those silly businesses would forget about the law if they weren't reminded! It happens to us ALL!

Lee from Colorado

@colo_lee@mstdn.social · 2 months ago

@_elena Masnick has certainly revealed a previously hidden side of himself in all the BS BS ...

ozoned

@ozoned · 2 months ago

@colo_lee@mstdn.social @_elena@mastodon.social

I was at Red Hat when they were sold to IBM.

The CEO, Jim Whitehurst, that for some reason people saw as a god and didn't understand he didn't INVENT Linux or anything, was standing up there selling us the idea of the sale to IBM.

CEO's are only there to keep the business running. They're not there for the people, they're not there for the customers, they're there to make sure it just keeps humming along.

Even if they disagreed, they're not going to say it publicly. You know how much money that CEO job is making them? Say whatever, world be damned.

THIS is why they can't have this power.

They will ALWAYS convince themselves and anyone they can that this is BEST FOR ALL.

Caio C. G. Oliveira

@caiocgo@social.vivaldi.net · 2 months ago

@_elena well... This is really disappointing. I have never trusted BlueSky but I have trusted Mike Masnick. His response is really not convincing at all.

crazyeddie

@crazyeddie@mastodon.social · 2 months ago

@_elena He makes it sound like it's me trying to file my taxes on time or something. Anxiety disorder creating artificial roadblocks and "forgetting". I'm also the "CEO" of a software company but mine isn't going anywhere at all, like EVER.

I wonder if he's on SSI. I've been considering it...

And the whole team has it!!?? I'm sorry. That must be a real mess to manage. Does everyone panic at the same time or y'all take turns?

We take turns.

Mike Fraser

@mike@thecanadian.social · 2 months ago

@_elena I'm not going to mince words here, that's either total bullshit from Mike or incompetence from the team, or both. You've just received 100 mil in the bank and you can't get a staffer to spend an hour writing a press release. The real hold up was figuring out how they were going to explain it which they still haven't done.

Mastodon Migration

@mastodonmigration@mastodon.online · 2 months ago

@_elena

This is an absurd and transparent lie, that reflects very badly on Mike Masnick.

We are talking about a $100M investment, and he is asking people to believe they were just "too busy." Hogwash.

ozoned

@ozoned · 2 months ago

@mastodonmigration@mastodon.online @_elena@mastodon.social

And you know who can never be used to make that money back?

US!

We're FREE.

How can we turn this into a strength to HELP people move over?

Bonfire is AMAZING imo. It's not Mastodon. We have so many options, we just need to convince folks that this way is better and we can suit them however they need.

katzenberger

@katzenberger@tldr.nettime.org · 2 months ago

@_elena

Does not add up.

Did they secure a $100 million funding en passant, while being otherwise "crazy busy and overwhelmed" by their development work?

And if they were instead crazy busy and overwhelmed precisely because of trying to secure that funding, what kept them from taking the final step of a press release?

That's not even fishy.

Craig Michael Patrick

@craig_patrick@mastodon.social · 2 months ago

@_elena @Jerry Curious if there’s a plan to monetize #Bluesky you are aware of? Two points to accent your post:

- criticism on #Mastodon initially feels like smearing a rival platform first, investigative reporting second. (Feel free to push back on that, it’s just the vibe I get when I read these articles)

- bureaucracy is an issue with brand communication. This MAY be what Bluesky is encountering because the United States needs to have a serious conversation about the illusion of brand

Jerry on Mastodon

@Jerry@hear-me.social · 2 months ago

@craig_patrick @_elena
They aren't forthcoming about financing. So, as would be expected, they are not forthcoming about their monetization plans. These are 2 bad signs.

Then add in the gaslighting about why major funding went unmentioned by both Bluesky and the VCs: "Everyone at Bluesky is just so gosh dang busy nobody had time to mention it." This is the gaslighting we see daily in the news. "I'll give you an obvious, nonsensical excuse, but still expect you to believe it because you all are gullible and emotion-driven."

Amoshias

@Amoshias@esq.social · 2 months ago

@_elena oh, Mike. oh, oh, oh, Mike.

I like the guy and appreciate what he does but just...

this isn't a thing.

does he think all the other companies are just sitting around eating bonbons, and this one specific company is busy?

Aubrey De Los Destinos

@AubreyDeLosDestinos@101010.pl · 2 months ago

@_elena @benroyce Mike was a surprise with his siding with Bluesky.

samiamsam

@samiamsam@mastodon.social · 2 months ago

@_elena

sure that amount of VC cash slipped their minds

sure

Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

@jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net · 2 months ago

@_elena Maybe the deal is in cryptocurrency, not actual dollars?

Ted Mielczarek

@tedmielczarek@mastodon.social · 2 months ago

@_elena all the startups I've worked for have blasted out press releases the moment their funding rounds closed. Part of being a startup means constantly vying for attention. This explanation does not hold up.

Anthony

@abucci@buc.ci · 2 months ago

@tedmielczarek@mastodon.social @_elena@mastodon.social I have had the same experience. I co-founded a startup in 2016 that managed to secure a funding round, and the VCs themselves were giddy about announcing it as widely as possible. I've consulted for startups both before and after that, and as far as I'm aware every one of them that secured funding rapidly announced it. This explanation from Bluesky does not pass a basic smell test.

william ⁂ maggos

@wjmaggos@liberal.city · 2 months ago

@tedmielczarek @_elena

Is there any requirement to make it public within 1 year? otherwise I wonder why they're announcing it at all.

Mr.Mark "The Sharpie King"

@markmetz@sfba.social · 2 months ago

@_elena
Thanks for highlighting this.
Bsky smells of narrative capture to me, much like Substack, (who are now teaming up with prediction markets)

ikuturso

@ikuturso@mastodon.social · 2 months ago

@_elena it's insane to think people would believe this "explanation"...

707Kat

@707Kat@mastodon.art · 2 months ago

@_elena And this is how I find out that he's on their board. 😅

Even if Bsky themselves and some of their staff actions didn't raise alarms from the get go for me. The fact that they are located in the US under current administration and the lack of autonomy does.

I'm happy I finally took the plunge and made them my back up social media and Mastodon my primary. I like some of the utility over there, but it's already doing the spiral I watched Twitter doing before leaving there.

Michael Santaly

@wonkothesane@mstdn.social · 2 months ago

@_elena Yea. I’m hopefully that projects like Blacksky can completely break free of Bluesky, but being ignorant of how the tech works I worry there’s some kind of rug pull to come

WTL

@WTL@mastodon.social · 2 months ago

@_elena Very sketchy behaviour, for certain.

mat :mastodon:

@mat@zelk.space · 2 months ago

@_elena are you aware that any record is public on atproto and checkable on pds.ls? there's nothing new .....